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Name:Pen yr Helgi Du
Hill number:1982
Height:832.6m / 2732ft
Parent (Ma):1965  Carnedd Llewelyn
RHB Section:30B: Snowdonia
Nuttall/Wainwright area:The Carneddau
County/UA:Conwy (CoU)
Catchment:Conwy
Class:Simm, Hewitt, Nuttall, Buxton & Lewis, Bridge
(Tu,Sim,Hew,N,BL,Bg)
Grid ref:SH 69781 63048
Summit feature:scattered cairn on W edge of summit
Drop:84.7m
Col:747.8m  SH 6943 6334  
OS map sheet(s):(1:50k) 115
(1:25k) OL17E
Observations:ground 5m SE of cairn is as high; ground 25m SE at SH 69792 63025 is 0.3m lower
Survey:Abney level/Trimble GeoXH 6000
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Pen Llithrig y Wrach and Pen yr Helgi Du from A5.lenman01/09/2019
Between Llewelyn and PL Wrach. NW ridge is a steep and narrow scramble but the holds are good. SE ridge is easy sloped short grass.Topographer5724/08/2019
Last of six tops on a 12 mile walk following Nuttalls route Carnedd Llewelyn and the western Carneddau, from parking on the A5 near Llyn Ogwen.WAYNE ROWLETT03/08/2019
Last mountain of the day, descended from Carnedd Llewelyn, note the descent is very technical, downhill scramble, tricky trek along the ridge and a grade 1 scramble up Pen y Helgi Du. Summit is open, boggy but great views. Descent was down the long slope of Y Braich to the A5 and car park near Llyn Ogwengiant_hiker22/06/2019
From Ogwen valley. Pen Yr Ole Wen, Foel Meirch, Carnedd Dafydd, Carnedd Llewelyn, Yr Elen and Pen Yr Helgi Du. Great day in beautiful weather!Angelfon8325/03/2019
Up from Gern Gof Isaf farm to Pen yr Helgi Du first, Carnedd Llywelyn, Carnedd Dafydd and Pen yr ole Wen. Very steep and long dissent to south west.andrew.morel28/02/2019
Winter conditions.simonshrewsbury02/02/2019
taking path over boggy ground to the base of Pen llithrig y Wrach. a steep grind but good views on top. a steep descent off and back up over Pen Helgi du. straight off the spur down to the A5 and back along the coach roadAristotle Chip20/01/2019
From the campsite at Gwern Gof Isaf on a round of Pen yr Helgi Du, Clogwyn Llech Lefn and Pen Llithrig y Wrach. 8.2 miles in 4 hours.Alan Caine29/09/2018
Waen Bryn-gwenith, Craig Eigiau, Foel Grach, Carnedd Llewelyn, Pen yr Helgi Du, Clogwyn Llech Lefnkeithouk16/09/2018
Craig Eigiau, Foel Grach, Carnedd Llewelyn, Yr Elen, Pen Yr Helgi Du, Pen Llithrig y Wrach circular route, starting at Llyn Eigiau car park.noxibis15/09/2018
Pen Yr Ole Wen, Foel Meirch, Carnedd Dafydd, Carnedd Llewelyn and Pen Yr Helgi Du.Dan Baddeley28/06/2018
park behind joe browns on 3 day back pack of carneddau back to pen llithrig wrach then down to cwm eigau and camp near slate quarry buildingsunderhill12/05/2018
Final summit before long slog back to the car solocolinfielding19/09/2017
Pen Yr Ole Wen, Foel Meirch, Carnedd Dafydd, Carnedd Llewelyn and Pen Yr Helgi Du.crax7319/09/2017
pen yr ole wen, carnedd dafydd, yr elen, foel grach, foel fras, garnedd uchaf, carnedd Llewelyn,pen yr helgi du, from pont pen y benglog.robertphillips07/08/2017
from Eigiau cottage mountaineering club hut staying with York Alpine Club up over Carnedd Llewellyn then north, skirting east of Carnedd Uchaf and west of Foel Fras, to Llwtmor 849m and the NE to Drum 770m.vegibagger17/06/2017
From Ogwen Valley. Pen Yr Ole Wen, Carnedd Dafydd, Carnedd Llewelyn, Pen Yr Heigli Du, Colgwyn Lech Llefn and Pen Llithrig Y Wrach. Glorious Day!!Alunrees3308/05/2017
Parked at Llyn Eigiau, climbed Ampitheatre Buttress, then up Pen yr Helgi Du, Pen Llihrig y Gwrach, Craig Ffynnon and back to car. Perfect sunshine made a brill day, with Mart.John Eley07/05/2017
Bob & DukeDukeNukem25/04/2017
12 mile walk from Capel Curig starting in sunshine, followed road then up boggy path to water channel, followed water channel to foot of Y Braich ridge and climbed to Pen Yr Helgi Du, the weather was still good by this time but the Glyders went into cloud, descended and steeply ascended onto Pen Llithrig Y Wrach, descended to end of reservoir and ascended pathless slopes onto Creigiau Gleison, by this time the weather had took a turn for the worst, we nearly went into cloud. Followed rough path onto Craiglwyn, then climbed up Craig Wen and Crimpiau, by this time every hill we had done earlier went into cloud, descended to Capel Curig. Great but strenuous walk, if we had started an hour later all the walk would have probably been in cloud!DanTrig09/04/2017
From Carnedd Llewelyn then on to Pen Llithrig y Wrachmart079708/04/2017
Route: Campsite at Gwern Gof Isaf to Pen Yr Heilgi Du to Carnedd Llewellyn to Yr Elen to Tal y llyn Ogwen via Bwlch Cyfryw-drum Party: Martain Howell, Freddie Leslie, William Colledge, Nicholas Field, Thomas GilesOliver_Storey04/04/2017
From Caseg Fraith, up Y Braich to Pen yr Helgi Du, descent to Bwlch y Tri Marchog, up to Pen Llithrig y Wrach and down to aqueduct back to Caseg Fraith. Windy day but clear. (With MM, MS, OA, CB)robertgn24/09/2016
Pen yr Ole Wen, Foel Meirch, Carnedd Daffyd, Carnedd Llewlyn, Yr Elen Pen yr Helgi Du. Exhausting walk that took 9 hours, but perfect conditions. No cloud and cool sunny day. Fantastic meal at the Vaynol Arms in Pentir afterwardsLazylizzie03/07/2016
833mThe Grouse08/10/2015
Nuttall 1.1 with Mrs G. A fine scrambly descent to the bwlch, and re-ascent to the summit. And Y Braich was one of the most pleasant walk downs we've done from a high level walk.jonglew19/09/2015
From parking area near Llyn Eigiau (SH 73159 66296) - Craig Eigiau - Foel Grach - Carnedd Llewelyn - Pen yr Helgi Du - Clogwyn Llech Lefn [Bwlch y Tri Marchog Top] - Pen Llithrig y Wrach - Craig Ffynnon.david23020130/08/2015
Followed Nuttalls route.rhalstead06/06/2015
4/6 Passed here on our descent from Carnedd LlewellynFergalh10/05/2015
From Llyn Eigiau walked down Cwm Eigiau and ascended to Bwlch Eryl Farchog to ascend Pen Yr Helgi Ddu & Pen Llithrig-y-wrach. Continued on to include Craiglwyn, Creigiau Gleison and Creigiau Gleison North Top and returned to start via Llyn Cowlyd.knarf01/05/2015
Nuttalls route 1.1 excluding Foel Meirch, on a beautiful day. With Lindsay. Ground to SE at 69796,63027 seems higher.Crib Goch20/04/2015
Nuttall walk , with Martin, Steve and Brian on a lovely bright dayLou20/04/2015
Nuttall walk 1.1: Pen yr Ole Wen - Foel Meirch - Carnedd Dafydd - Cefn Ysgolion W top - Cefn Ysgolion E top - Yr Elen - Carnedd Llewelyn - Pen yr Helgi Duronaldo33318/04/2015
With Cabesimon and co08/04/2015
Great walk from Gwern Gof Isaf car park by A5 in Nant y Benglog, up Y Braich to Pen yr Helgi Du, passing many of the beguiling wild Carneddau ponies, then on to Pen Llithrig y Wrach before returning to Gwern Gof Isaf.Dewi Prysor05/04/2015
GG. A round including Pen Llithrig Y Wrach, G crossed on to do lower slopes of Carneddd LlewelynIdris24/01/2015
With Dean from S.Wheelsy30/12/2014
estimated dateBHBrunt20/11/2014
Carneddau CircularOwain G27/07/2014
My 8th Summit of the day on an epic traverse of the Carneddau from Llanfairfechan to Capel Curig, taking in Carnedd Y Ddelw, Drum, Foel Fras, Carnedd Gwenllian, Foel Grach, Yr Elen, Carnedd Llewellyn and took fp following the ridgeline down South East with great views down onto Ffynnon Lugwy reservoir, followed by an exciting scramble down onto the ridge linking with Pen Yr Helgi du. Care is needed but there are plenty of options, the scramble up Pen Yr Helgi du is good too and makes you surprised to find that this isnt a Hump at the very least. The summit area is pretty small and is close to the very steep dropDazingdale05/07/2014
EXCELLENT ASCENT OF PEN YR OLE WEN BY NUTTALLS' RECOMMENDED ROUTE THEN ALONG RIDGE TO CARNEDD DAFYDD. PICKED UP PATH OUT TO YR ELEN, THEN BACK OVER CARNEDD LLEWELYN AND UP EXCITING RIDGE ONTO PEN YR HELGI DU. PUSHED ON TO INCLUDE PEN LLITHRIG Y WRACH AND DOWN LONG GRASSY SLOPE TO LEAT FOR RETURN. GLORIOUS SUNNY WEATHER AND A REALLY SUPERB RIDGE WALK. LEFT FOEL MEIRCH FOR ANOTHER DAY FROM BETHESDA.BURGESS01/07/2014
Walking Group walk. Number five of five summits on this walk. Sunny and warm. Very good visibility. Southern Carneddau from Ogwen Valley. Route 5 from Mountain and Hill Walking in Snowdonia. Circular route visiting Pen-yr Ole Wen, Carnedd Dafydd, Carnedd Llewelyn, Yr Elen and Pen yr Helgi Du. Distance = 21.69km. Average moving speed = 3.6km/h. Time moving = 5:57. Ascent = 1095m.paulnewby8129/06/2014
Carol Paddy Buckley Leg 1DinoF21/06/2014
From A5 Nr. East end of Llyn Ogwen & return Via Pen yr Ole wenWestdenewalker18/06/2014
With ClubJamesSDonald03/05/2014
With Rob.Louieb7820/04/2014
Nuttall walk 1.1Ruth05/04/2014
Parked at car park near Llyn Eigiau Resevoir. Craig Eigiau, Carnedd Llewelyn, Pen Yr Helgi Du, Clogwyn Llech Lefn, Craig Ffynon and Moel Eilio. Very warm, some exceptional views :-)AlunRees3101/04/2014
From Carnedd Llewelynrb28/03/2014
From the A5 and round to Capel.PepandJen16/03/2014
eyenose08/12/2013
Very scary climb up the exposed side as it was really windy. Came to it from LLewelyn side.spare.tyres07/11/2013
Parked at Llanerch Cawr. Easy climb to summit.bolton27/09/2013
CJM27/09/2013
Short day with good weather on way up and down but rain at the summit.SS14/09/2013
From Capel Curig via Pen Llithrig y Wrach, down to Ffynnon Llugwy reservoir and turnpike road back to CC. Sunny. Solo.Saggers16/08/2013
start a5 no accessGraham27/07/2013
Solo TripLouieb7821/07/2013
The final summit of a round from Llyn Ogwen. Climbing from a northern approach is definitely more satisfying.JohnStoneham14/06/2013
The walk from Carnedd Llewelyn down to the col and up to Pen yr Helgi Du was challenging.denisB5202/06/2013
coming from carnedd LlewelynMad Tom07/11/2012
from Carnedd LlewelynHillboBaggings07/11/2012
From the A5 up the ridge straight to the top, down via the water-board road. 4 Hours, bitterly cold with strong winds, great views.Taz3802/11/2012
Bagged on the way down from Carnedd Llewelyn. Very cold wind on top.tobywharne27/10/2012
ML Trainingjimwinter24/10/2012
Bethesda - Carnedd Dafydd - Carnedd Llewelyn - Pen yr Helgi Du - A5 at Helygsqueegs06/10/2012
Ascended after Carnedd Llewelyn. Great scramble to summit and excellent views of Tryfan.The Playful Pig01/09/2012
From East end of Llyn Ogwen as follows: Pen yr Ole Wen, Carnedd Dafydd Carnedd Llewelyn, Yr Elen, Pen yr Helgi Du & Pen Llithrig y Wrach.isabelle18/08/2012
Layby at the E. end of Llyn Ogwen – Path through woods past Glan Dena – East ridge above Ffynnon Lloer – Pen yr ole Wen – Foel Meirch – Carnedd Dafydd – Yr Elen – Carnedd Llewelyn – Pen yr Helgi Du – S. down path – Across leat – Path to derelict farm – Track to A5 – Old road to layby. (JL)gerrybowes19/06/2012
Walk with friend from Llyn Eigiau, via Foel Grach and Carnedd Llewelyn. Very high winds on CL, but more sheltered on the ridge - which was a relief! Enjoyable scramble up to the top. Skipped Pen Llithrig y Wrach and descended down a gully from the bwlch (bit slippy in places!) down to Cwm Eigiau.thesweetcheat26/05/2012
OM Meet at Bryn Brethynau Climbing Barn, Capel Curig, on the weekend of 24-25 February 2012. Saturday walk on the Carneddau from Llyn Ogwen up to Pen Yr Ole Wen, along the ridge to Carneed Daffyd then Carnedd Llewelyn (one group veered off to Yr Elen while we returned via Pen Yr Helgi Du - our party walked about nine miles, the 'Yr Elen diverters' a mile-and-a-half more). Gary, Eppey, Rob, Tall Paul and Jo, Chewie, Dave, Ryan, and MariaSkip25/02/2012
From Gwern Gof Isaf to Pen Llithrig y Wrach and Pen yr Helgi Du.spooksthehorse05/07/2011
From parking area near Llyn Eigiau (SH 73374 66499) - Craig Ffynnon - Pen Llithrig y Wrach - Bwlch y Tri Marchog - Pen yr Helgi Du.david23020126/06/2011
Cwm Eigiau CP- Pen Llithrig y Wrach - Pen yr Helgi Du - Carnedd Llewelyn - Foel Grach - Craig Eigiau - Cwm Eigiau CPbriandiggle27/05/2011
Starting at Idwal Cottage, ascended from Llyn Ogwen to Bryn Mawr then up Pen y Olwen(via Bwlch Yr Olwen) and onto Carnedd Dafydd and Carnedd Llewelyn (via Cefn Ysgolian Duon). From there crossed the ridge to SE and ascended Pen Yr Helgi Du then down by Y AndyB30/04/2011
walked from Pen Llithrig y wrach, continued onto Carnedau Llewllyn and further onto Pen yr Ole Wen.Rekrab27/04/2011
Hot spring weather. Pen yr Ole Wen round to Pen yr Helgi Du via the Carnedds and Yr Elen.Herbert Anchovy20/04/2011
With Lawrence his first hike!christall30/10/2010
Climbed on Cambridge Hillwalking Club weekend trip - the classic Carneddau circuit from Pen yr Ole Wen to Pen yr Helgi Du. We stayed at the brilliant Caseg Fraith bunkhouseMark Jackson30/10/2010
From East Ridge, to Carnedds, long slong back up the A5. Sunny and perfect visibility.Smeggers25/09/2010
From Llyn Eigiau, over Cefn Tal-llyn-Eigiau, Foel Grach, Carnedd Llewellyn and Pen-yr-Helgi Du. 2 Peregrines on descentmavero1030/08/2010
Carnedds loopbri&dave28/06/2010
Pen yr Ole Wen, Carnedd Dafydd, Foel Meirch, Ye Elen, Carnedd Llewellyn, Pen yr Helgi Duijpowell30/04/2010
Started from hut near Lake Ogwen and then walked the horseshoe including Carnedd Dafydd and Llewelyn.Matt Smith07/03/2010
catch upkevroberts01/01/2010
last of a great day's walking, seemed a long way back to the car.asbown22/08/2009
A slightly unplanned summit. Started at the A5.sjdwheeler08/07/2009
Good hill this walked with Ken and Mark Rowe.SteveClay03/05/2009
Pen yr Ole Wen (east ridge), Carnedd Dafydd, Carnedd Llewelyn, Yr Elen, back to Carnedd Llewelyn, Pen yr Hegi Du, Pen llithrig-y-wrachBen Lowery02/05/2009
W 1.1, clear sunny day, enjoyable scramble down and then back up.Dugswell218/04/2009
Last peak of the day. Fun scrambling down from Llywelen and then up. Ran down the scree into Cwm Llugwy. Awesome!huwthomas04/04/2009
From CapelScoff Cruddle04/04/2009
Circular walk Pen Llethrig Yr Wrach/Cardnedd Llewelyn/Foel Grach/Garnedd UchafMountain_Mad02/04/2009
Awesome winter grade 1 scramble - circular route past reservoir, up onto Pen Yr Helg Du, down one gully to climb another directly to Carnedd Lleywellyn summit (on crampons the whole way)jester6928/02/2009
With Steve and Chris. SNow on ground, windy. Ascent along ridge from south.alwaysinshorts05/12/2008
Circuit of the Carneddau with Jez and LizzieCaralynR00/11/2008
Last peak on my 60th birthday walk as we descended to Tal y Bont.Aimless Rambler24/08/2008
With PYB 3,000 footers weekahmiller22/02/2008
nice scramble at end of carneddau traverse kicking off from ne ridge of pen yr olwengreendave24/07/2007
Fun scrambly ascent from Bwlch Eryl Farchog on descent from Llewelyn.Jake99415/07/2007
The Nutall book seems not to mention the scramble off Llewellyn and up onto this peak. Its not too bad but is a hands and legs job in parts. Its a grassy top and the cairn not visible first of all as its to the southern end-is the cairn higher I wonder?Father Ted09/06/2007
With Ted Richards. Hot, muggy day. Followed Nuttalls Route 1.1 from 2nd ed.nathanp09/06/2007
a long day with lovely weather, many tops and mighty views. start / finish at llyn cowlydstig_nest02/06/2007
with Tony and DevonStuart Hyde28/04/2007
While on course at PYB. Hot as summer!Man of Kernow104/02/2007
Blisco14/10/2006
Carneddau wild camp w R & J richardsun16/09/2006
With Joel West.Dangerous Dave05/09/2006
Repeated 03/06/2012BobHancock23/06/2006
From A5 via Pen yr Ole Wen and Carnedd Llewelyn with Neil.Wheelsy18/04/2006
With Pen Llithrig y Wrach et al Blisco29/10/2005
Walk: 1.1. With: Laura Hill, Nigel & Anne Cater, Paul Mortimer. Notes: Hot day from Capel. Also, 14 Peaks, DMC Helyg (also 14 peaks with Brian etc)dchill0125/04/2004
Misty all day and then did this last peak in lovely evening sunshine. Followed Nuttalls walk 1.1 but went astray somewhere near the end going through the fields.johnjennison06/09/2003
Round of Craig Eigiau, Pen yr Helgi Du, Pen Llithrig y Wrach, Craiglwyn, Creigiau Gleision and North Top from car park at Llyn Eigiau Res.Eddie31/08/2002
I set off from Carnedd Llewelyn towards Foel Grach but in poor visibility turned back to wander down the mountain, pausing to admire the views down to the Amphitheatre, on which sheep were positioned precariously on ledges. (On a later walk we were told that one sheep had stayed on a ledge for weeks if not months and had to be rescued with rope.) The vertical rocks were difficult to descend, but having done it I felt emboldened to try Pen yr Helgi Du. The path did indeed have very steep drops to the left but it was possible to keep away and close to the rocks on the right. A glance back showed that the mist had now cleared from Carnedd Llewelyn. The path continued downwards along grass and then alongside a leat as far as the Ffynnon Llugwy road on which I started.peter4lc25/08/2002
Blisco03/11/2001
With parents and sister on the way up Carnedd Llewelyn.islamidget03/07/2000
completed as part of walk 1.1 in the guide bookdianepick10/06/2000
Not as much snow as on Pen Llithrig -y-Wrach but Carnedd Llyweln looked vary whiteWhithaugh19/02/2000
GGIdris21/01/2000
CK, club SheilaS16/01/2000
Ascents : 2yatchey01/01/2000
A long time ago, with James.haydnw01/01/2000
From Llyn Ogwen.Marshsand02/09/1999
Started 687603. Continued to 695616 and reached summit following Y Braich. Back via Y LasalltJamesD197214/01/1999
Estimated date - done with James on our outward trip from Campsite at Lyn Ogwen to get all 3000s in northern section on our tour.Aimless Rambler17/08/1998
ML expeditionPeterPozman28/07/1998
Solo. Second of five peaks. Superb area.mikejacobs29/03/1998
2 of 6: From Pen Llithrig y Wrach.ChrisR20/07/1996
With Tony.ruthatlast05/07/1996
AYTBungee17/10/1995
Warm and sunny in valley, slightly cooler higher up, sunny/cloudy on first two peaks. Low cloud came in while on Carnedd LLewellyn. Clear views again on Pen yr Helgi du.joseph mitchell08/04/1995
done as part of umist hikemike killick09/10/1994
Third ascent, with Robin.thenomad28/04/1994
w MT from Ogwen, good snow, circuit out to Helgi Dhu inc. Carnedds and Yr Elennordicstar11/04/1994
With Rick, in full winter conditions. Set off from Ogwen and headed up towards Ffynnon Lloer and struck left to the Pen-yr ol-wen ridge to the top. Round corniced ridge to Carnedd Dafydd and on to Craig Llugwy along some spectacular crags. Along a narrow ridge and under Carnedd Llewellyn to Yr Elen. Dinner break. Backtracked and traversed across crags on North side of Carnedd Llewellyn. Icy. Then long plod to Foel Grach and back this time ascending Carnedd Llewellyn. Checked out by rescue helicopter which then went off to the Glyders. Descended deep snow to Craig yr Ysfa seeing two girls and young girl about 10 yrs old, fully kitted up and ascending. Looked down steep gullys of Craig yr Ysfa. Along an interesting ridge to Pen-y-Helgi Du and down. Got sunburnt face. Two big days in the carneddiMark T11/04/1994
Cold amd misty.Deltic11/10/1993
Cold and mist.Ian Davies11/10/1993
topgigglejon12/08/1992
2.06/10/2001jimmy6621/03/1991
Galltywenallt22/04/1990
petey01/01/1990
Date unknown. Summit is W cairn at top of W ridge. RHW01/01/1990
second ascent.thenomad16/04/1989
First climbed from Cwm Eigau open top with small cairn. Most recent visit delivered a Brocken spectre (2nd in 2006)Rhayader_wander23/04/1988
from C L L. 700' plod up to top. 13.20. to Llywellyn.arranc20/04/1987
KeithByTheC15/02/1987
With Liz Murphy from a damp wild camp alongside Llyn Cowlyd reservoir. Climbed the steep south slopes of P L W in variable weather from dry and muggy to cloud and drizzle with some pouring rain. summit shelter for snack then drop out of cloud and steep 700 feet back into cloud and rain onto Pen yr Helgi du. Back to camp skirting P L W for a brew then headed to Idwal YH for indoor luxury for 2 nights and to dry out.Chris Pearson02/08/1984
With: hr sab muhc; From Idwal Cottage YH directly up Pen yr Ole Wen on to Carnedd Dafydd then Carnedd Llewelyn. SW ridge to Pen yr Helgi Du then Pen Llithrig y Wrach. Down to Helyg on A5 and back.Ian Baines28/01/1984
Solo ascent of this great hill.thenomad23/06/1983
Ascended whilst walking from Bethesda to Capel Curig.JohnW24/10/1976
Date of my first ascent of this summit. I love the ridge walk actross the narrow defile to Craig yr Ysfa- not so exciting to Carnedd Llewellyn but then a great walk on the high ridges of the Carneddau. That's when it's nice. I once abandoned an attempt to get up this hill after half the party had been blown off their feet,.pwheeler17/09/1975
Arbitrary date to enable inclusion - certainly July 1963.mainnirnamfiadh04/07/1963
From SH 721 581 - anti clockwise circuit taking in Creigiau Gleision, Pen Llithrig y Wrach and Gallt yr Ogof.summitsupblank
doneoutlawcatcherblank
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We ventured eastwards from Llewelyn and it was a fantastic ridge walk to a airy top. Recommend visiting these lower tops.ChinnockCblank
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