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Name:Y Groes Fagl
Hill number:2107
Height:659m / 2162ft
Parent (Ma):19413  Foel Cedig
RHB Section:30E: Bala to Welshpool
Nuttall/Wainwright area:The Berwyns
County/UA:Gwynedd (CoU)
Catchment:Catchment Boundaries, Dee (Flint), Severn
Watershed:Severn Estuary, Cardiff to Cape Wrath, Liverpool Bay
Class:Nuttall, Bridge
(N,Bg)
Grid ref:SH 98852 29006
Summit feature:ground 3m S of pole
Drop:15.5m
Col:643.5m  SH 9882 2876  
OS map sheet(s):(1:50k) 125
(1:25k) 255
Observations:ground 20m N and 20m S about 30cm lower
Survey:Leica NA730/Trimble GeoXH 6000
Survey of Y Groes Fagl.pdf
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Logged Descriptions  (logged by 255 users)ByDate of Ascent
12th and final summit of the day then took a wrong turning after Ystrad-Y-groes cottage as if the day wasn't tough enough 14.7 miles in total solocolinfielding28/02/2019
29km circuit from Pennant with jonglew, starting with 497m P5 Pen Cerrig, my final summit on John Gillham's list and a nice hill, on a dreich day. Then tussocky to Fagl's fencepost summit, and on to the two SubDodds to the NWRHW24/11/2018
From Foel Cedig, pausing for sandwiches en-route. Back along track to car, meeting Gill and Alex C on the way.Wycombe Wanderer24/11/2018
With SG from parking at start of track from SW.Smudge24/11/2018
With Trefor. Parked to west at top of pass and followed track firstly to Foel Cedig then on to bag this one. Snow showers and lying snow. Cold with low cloud base and no views except for one short break in the cloudsmike.hoult21/11/2018
A selection of Berwyns in company of (for some) Lindsay. Tops I completed were Pen y Boncyn Trefeilw, Stac Rhos, Cefn Gwyntog, Foel Cedig and Y Groes Fagl.knarf14/10/2018
Foel Cedig > Y Groes Fagl > Trum y Sarn > Cyrniau Nod > Cyrniau Nod South-East Top > Cyrniau Nod > Pen y Boncyn Trefeilw > Pen y Boncyn Trefeilw SW Top > Pen y Cerrig Duon from GR: SH 94614 27328ronaldo33322/09/2018
Foel Cedig > Y Groes Fagl > Trum y Sarn > Cyrniau Nod > Cyrniau Nod South-East Top > Cyrniau Nod > Pen y Boncyn Trefeilw > Pen y Boncyn Trefeilw SW Top > Pen y Cerrig Duon from GR: SH 94614 27328Hippster22/09/2018
Did the Berwyns last year so just wanted to visit the newly promoted Foel Cedig. Parked the car at SH 95240 29987, walked along the road South to the track at SH 94627 27327 and then followed the track all the way back to the car. Also stopped off at Y Groes Fagl as it's the easiest of the other tops. Really wet today.tsharp14/09/2018
From Hirnant Pass to W, using good track. Foel Cedig (shortly after assuming the Marilyn summit status - probably didn't visit 19 years previously when climbing Cyrniau Nod), Y Groes Fagl, then Stac Rhos on return.RobertP02/09/2018
From summit of Bala road: Pen y Boncyn Trefeilw / Stac Rhos / Y Groes Fagl / Cyrniau Nod / Cefn Gwyntog. Then: Foel y Geifr / Trum y Gwragedd / Foel Goch. Sunny.Winterfloodian26/07/2018
Followed the Nuttall's route. Lovely sunny day with a nice cool breeze.Herbert Anchovy23/06/2018
No 5 of a round of hills based on Nuttall 7.5. Glad to see this one as the heather bashing was beginning to tell! Return to start down track. A good day out.MichaelF24/11/2017
5/11 (Pen Y Cerrig Duon/Pen y Boncyn Trefeilw/Stac Rhos/Cyrniau Nod/Y Groes Fagl/Penllyn Forest Top/Foel y Geifir/Cefn Gwyntog North Top/Cefn Gwyntog/Garreg Wen/Rhwngy Ddwynant)Fergalh17/06/2017
a round of mainly Nuttalls from The Hirmant Pass, 7.5, solo, on a blustery dayLou11/06/2017
Walked the route in section 7.5 of the Nuttalls book. Foel Goch, Trum y Gwragedd, Foel y Geifr , Pen y Boncyn Trefeilw, Stac Rhos, Cefn Gwyntog, Cyrniau Nod, Y Groes Fagl. People call these the boring Berwyns but I don't agree. How many of the hundreds of thousands who climb Snowdon and Cader Idris each year would persevere with this walk. It's a real challenge and there are some good views if the weather holds. A very steep descent to Foel Goch reminded me how unfit I've become. Great views at the top, could see Arenig Fawr, Aran Fawddy and Snowdon in the distance inbetween the snow showers. The summit of Trum y Gwragedd was tantalisingly 40 foot on the other side of a barb wire fence. I decided not to be a purist but as I walked on the guilt gnawed at me and, 200 metres later at a corner post, I decided to leave my backpack, cross over and go back to the summit. My gloves and trousers already had holes in them and I'm not sure I'd have risked it if I had been wearing new exptsharp21/03/2017
with rogerDarren-44318/02/2017
Solo walk during a weekend trip to Llangollen for a friend's Birthday. Aber Hirnant - Foel Cwm-Sian Llwyd - along ridge via all Nuttalls to Pen y Cerrig Duon - road - Foel y Geifr - north along ridge - steep descent by forest to road - road back to Aber Hirnant. A rather dull and heathery set of hills!AGWilliamson18/12/2016
With G. Mostly Nuttalls' Route from cattle grid at Bwlch yr Hwch > Foel Goch > Trum y Gwrgedd > Foel y Geifr > Pen y Cerrig Duon > Pen y Boncyn Trefeilw > Stac Rhos > Cefn Gwyntog (faint path from gate near Cefn Gwyntog N Top) > Cefn Gwyntog North Top > Cyrniau Nod > Y Groes Fagl > start via Cwm GwynRT197017/08/2016
KeithByTheC30/07/2016
Climbed with Chris from Llangynog via Foel Cwm-Sian Llwyd. Continued on forestry track to road.dhbond16/07/2016
Solo From Cyrniau and on to Penllyn Forrest top 551Aimless Rambler29/05/2016
Cyrniau Nod, Y Groes Fagl, Stac Rhos, Pen y Bocyn Trefielw, Pen y Cerrig Duon.tim74720/04/2016
Nuttalls walk 7.5. 8th out of 8 for the day, before the long walk down through the forest.Crib Goch13/04/2016
With Cyrniau Nod and Jenxnordicstar28/12/2015
Nuttall Walk 7.5: Foel Goch [The Berwyns] - Trum y Gwragedd - Foel y Geifr - Pen y Cerrig Duon - Pen y Boncyn Trefeilw SW Top - Pen y Boncyn Trefeilw - Stac Rhos - Cefn Gwyntog North Top - Cefn Gwyntog - Cyrniau Nod - Y Groes Faglronaldo33314/06/2015
gweler log Cyrniau Nod see Cyrniau Nod logDewi Prysor19/04/2015
cross the fence get back to the road follow it till you get to the junction on the track and follow to the top then back to the track to follow the track through the forestAristotle Chip11/04/2015
Blessed pathRuth09/09/2014
Followed the Nuttalls route apart from Stac Rhos, Cefn Gwyntog, Cyrniau Nod all done as out and back from the track. Each with a handy cairn to indicate where to leave the track. Latter part of the day it poured with rain and cloud came down.axe.stephen28/05/2014
From top of Bwlch Hirnant, calling at the other 4 on the way. This was a beauty, and the weather was perfect for clarity of views. Back along the track to get home in time for tea! (rechecking the summit of Pen y Boncyn Trefeilw on the way).ruthatlast26/05/2014
Followed Nuttalls Western Berwyns walk with a few additions.rhalstead16/03/2014
MAINLY FOLLOWED NUTTALLS WALK 7.5 FOR THE WESTERN BERWYNS. PARKED AT THE FOOT OF THE HIRNANT PASS AND WENT STRAIGHT UP VERY STEEP FOEL GOCH, THEN EASY WALK ALONG THE RIDGE TO TRUM Y GWRAGEDD AND FOEL Y GEIFR. STEEP HEATHER DOWN TO TOP OF PASS THEN ALONG THE TRACK, POPPING OFF IT TO DO PEN Y BONCYN TREFEILW AND STAC RHOS. RETURNED TO TRACK BETWEEN ALL TOPS AND FOUND FAINT PATH OUT TO CEFN GWYNTOG. FOLLOWED FENCE TO CIRNIAU NOD AND FINISHED WITH THE EASY GROES FAGL. BACK THROUGH FOREST TO CAR - ANOTHER WARM SUNNY DAY OUT FROM BALA.BURGESS08/08/2013
Nine-Nuttall circuit clockwise from Aber Hirnant, with Ruthdavidpettit8405/05/2013
Parked at road/track junction at the foot of the Hirnant Pass – Track past Ystrad-y-groes up through Penllyn Forest – Bwlch y Groes-fagl – Y Groes Fagl – Cyrniau Nod – Cefn Gwyntog – N. along ridge to Boundary Stone – Stac Rhos – Pen y Boncyn Trefeilw – Path down N. ridge of Pen y Cerrig Duon – Car. (JL,PM,CM)gerrybowes08/11/2012
Followed Nuttall route clockwise.bolton08/11/2012
Walk 7.5 completed with G. Bowes, P. Massey and C. Meadows. Forest and moorland track with forays over heather and bog to peaks.John L08/11/2012
CJM08/11/2012
Rode my mountain bike along the forestry road and went on foot to the top. Many quad bikes and motorbikes use the forestry road. An E reg BSA bantam was one!johnjennison18/09/2011
Easy summit of the FC - the last of 8.woodse02/07/2011
Northern Hirnants 2 days / 22 miles. Start Finish Bala Wild camp in heather, very windy Rhiwaedog-uwch-afon, Foel Goch, Foel y Geifr, Pen y Cerrig Duon, Pen y Boncyn Trefeilw, Foel Cedig, Bwich y Gross-fagl, Foel Cwn-Sian,fellowsa21/05/2011
A cairn by the roadside now marks the start of the path (my gift to you all). Definitely happy with my decision to get Foel Cwm Sian Llwyd from the East a few weeks earlier.huwthomas14/05/2011
Wooden post.Route:Drove into forest as far as Stac Rhos then walked-Pen y Boncyn Trefeilw-Stac Rhos-Cefn Gwyntog-Cyrniau Nod-Y Groes Fagl. V Dif deep heather. Sunny.Chris Williams28/04/2011
Yet another easy one off the track, but the walk to 2109 Foel Cwm Sian Llwyd was very hard going.heavyhorses06/04/2011
Parked at 953 281 - the first bend up the FC track - about 580m high which made the 5 Boring Berwyns relatively easy. Track has been recently been graded but a gully on the bottom section would stop anything with lower GC than a 4x4. Boggy ground and heaMalcvolm22/02/2011
The last top on the Nuttall 7.5 route and an easy one to finish on.David Gradwell25/09/2010
With Pendabeorwulf03/07/2010
Continued on Nuttall walk from Cyrniau Nod. Uninteresting hill. Summit has wooden post.Aye Jimmy20/04/2010
Not real date - no log kept. Foel Goch, Trum y Gwragedd, Foel y Geifr, Pen y Boncyn Trefeilw, Stac Rhos, Cefn Gwyntog, Cyrniau Nod, Y Groes Faglijpowell10/07/2009
Parked at 949302 we did the reverse of Nuttall walk 7.5 and followed the easy track through the forest. We emerged from the forest and diverted of the track to find the summit which is marked by an old post. Nice sunny day so nice views.SteveClay12/04/2009
Thank god for the forestry track! Six tops today but hard work in the snow off the track. Wish I still had XC skis.Hammy11/12/2008
Hot sunny day along Pete Roberts 'friendly FC track', these five tops would be a nightmare without this track. Top (a post) just off the track on a defined path walked with Mary. Parked at 946273, room for 4/5 cars.Glenelg31/05/2008
Solo. Long Berwyns walk. richardsun04/05/2008
an interesting though sometimes arduous walk through 7 of the hirnant peaks. good tracks a lot of the way, the bits without tracks proving hard going, lovely day though and not another person seen along all the (off road) route.stig_nest23/04/2007
Wet miserable day but 8 tops.Emlyno28/01/2007
With TonyStuart Hyde28/04/2006
Climbed as part of route 7.5 in the guide bookdianepick26/06/2005
BogtrotPeteF12/01/2002
topgigglejon26/08/2000
from Hirnant pass.Marshsand25/06/1999
Galltywenallt20/03/1999
GGIdris22/11/1998
Solo run. Last of eight peaks. Lovely peaceful hills, not boring at all.mikejacobs14/03/1998
Hirnants daypwheeler28/09/1997
2nd visit to theses Berwyn tops with Rob Small to do Bridges for him and wanted outlying Nuttall for me of Cefn Gwybtog(1 mile out and back from main track) Another wet day after camping at Bala.Chris Pearson13/11/1994
Just off that friendly FC trackRhayader_wander15/08/1992
Third of six 600m hills climbed west of the B4391.David Purchase10/06/1992
petey01/01/1990
Date unknown RHW01/01/1990
From EEC road to top. 6' post visible from afar.arranc21/04/1989
After leaving track spent ages floundering in peat and heather searching for this top in cloud and rain - found by fence. rain now falling steadily - squelched on to Y Groes Fugl then at last down into the forest and tracks down - felt like a lost world. long walk back to Bala YHA having started at Bwlch y Groes thanks to a lift. 9 tops done. Bus back to Sheffiel next day after 3 day traverse from Dolgellau to BalaChris Pearson12/06/1984
From SH 946 273 tidying up a clutch of Nuttals. 1996?summitsupblank
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